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IRC log started Thu Mar 16 21:34:18 2000
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<vorpalbunny> is anyone there
<water> vorpal bunny?
<vorpalbunny> hey, i am practicing my typing
<water> yes a few are here
<vorpalbunny> a little rusty
<vorpalbunny> are you all linux users
<water> do you know what tunes is?
<vorpalbunny> no
<water> most of us, yes
* water/#tunes points at the topic
<vorpalbunny> what is the topic
<vorpalbunny> is tunes a bot
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<vorpalbunny> oh
<water> yes, tunes is the channel logger, and abi is the infobot
<vorpalbunny> oh
<vorpalbunny> What are you all tolking about
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<vorpalbunny> talking
<vorpalbunny> water: are you good with linux
<vorpalbunny> have any of you ever heard of somone trying to make contacts in the linux world
<vorpalbunny> well that is what i am trying to do
<water> i don't know any linux users irl
<vorpalbunny> I really dont need help, just want to network an d make friends
<water> where from?
<vorpalbunny> Illinois
<vorpalbunny> Lincoln
<hcf> vorpalbunny: try #linpeople then
09:40pm
<vorpalbunny> center of the state
<vorpalbunny> What is this free reflective computing system anyway
<vorpalbunny> software
<vorpalbunny> hardware
<vorpalbunny> what?
<water> heh
<vorpalbunny> concept?
<water> a language/os hybrid
<hcf> a new kind of porn
<vorpalbunny> what is it a hybrid of 
<vorpalbunny> thanks hcf 
<vorpalbunny> sounds kinky
<water> a hybrid of a language and an os :)
<AlonzoTG> om
<vorpalbunny> isnt linux already that 
* water/#tunes goes for the cheap plug
<water> hell no
<water> abi squeak
<abi> hmmm... squeak is a cool pure oo language descended from Smalltalk, at http://squeak.cs.uiuc.edu/ or at http://www.squeak.org/ or The open source mouse that roars!
<vorpalbunny> then explain to a newbie
<vorpalbunny> what are the benefits of this
<water> you use a very high level language that has access to the entire source code of the os, apps, development system, etc in that language
<water> and it has facilities for modifying the language dynamically to particular purposes
<vorpalbunny> like c++
<water> lol
<vorpalbunny> visual c++
<water> hell no, once again
<water> try squeak
<vorpalbunny> assembler
<water> you're smoking some nice crack
<water> ever used forth or smalltalk?
<water> or maybe lisp or scheme?
<vorpalbunny> i am not a programer
<vorpalbunny> is it an app
<water> is what an app?
<vorpalbunny> FRCS
<water> no they are programming languages
<water> very powerful ones
<vorpalbunny> no i have obviously never used one, I dont even know what the names are
<water> they allow an end user to code the same thing in a short time with few headaches that "professional coders" often spend weeks on
<vorpalbunny> GUI easy coders
<water> not necessarily
<vorpalbunny> but sorta, right
<water> the gui helps, but those languages don't need gui's to be easy
<water> they're more powerful at the text level
<vorpalbunny> cool
<vorpalbunny> what apps do you write with them
<water> like i said, try learning smalltalk
<water> any kinds of apps that the implementation supports
<vorpalbunny> cool, can you write data bases
<water> and they do support quite a bit
<water> absolutely
<vorpalbunny> hard to learn
09:50pm
<water> but keep in mind m$ has a stranglehold on vb stuff
<water> hm
<water> well you have to learn some new concepts usually
<vorpalbunny> I am learning C++ and maybe I should change
<water> but the languages are more uniform in their use
<water> c++ is very complicated to use
<water> with smalltalk you can write the same code in a faster time
<vorpalbunny> I noticed
<vorpalbunny> where do I sign up
<water> and a good smalltalk compiler can produce good fast output
<vorpalbunny> cool
<vorpalbunny> how $$$
<vorpalbunny> or open source
<water> squeak is open-source, but it's experimental
<water> smalltalks are usually cheaper than Visual *
<vorpalbunny> where do I download
<water> www.squeak.org
<vorpalbunny> thanks
<water> np
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<overfien> yoh
<water> hey fiend
<overfien> hey man. :)
<water> what's news?
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<tonioz> hello anyone here?
<tonioz> can someone tell me about tunes?
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-:- SignOff air: #TUNES (http://www.qzx.com/ :: sleep)
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