IRC log started Sun Mar  7 00:00:00 1999
<rukmini> That's really too bad.  There's this great chain of self-service computer system
[msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0307
<rukmini> builders in the Bay Area, Domino Computer, where I go.
<rukmini> They'll let you sit there the whole time while they're building your
<rukmini> computer, and do whatever parts of it you feel comfortable doing yourself.
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<rukmini> I'm not that into hardware, but at least this way you know what
<rukmini> you're getting.
<rukmini> I didn't leave the computer store until I had both Linux and NT booting.
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<lar1> Bay Area?  Thats where I am!  I have herd of Domino Computer... but have never gone there.  I've always prefered to go get each componet and put it all together myself.  But now prices are dropping so it may not by cheaper to 'roll your own' anymore
<rukmini> Domino is pretty cheap, they don't charge a lot of labor.
<lar1> Hmmm, I'll have to take a look at them
<rukmini> But then how did you get a winmodem without knowing?
<lar1> It just said 56k FLEX DSVD upgradeable to v.90 it wasn't until I did a cat /proc/pci I saw the dreded Lucent Tech (ex AT&T)
<rukmini> Wow, that's really a bummer.
<lar1> And my parents bought the laptop... I wasn't with them at the time
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<lar1> Yup... oh well at least I get to learn about ipmasq and routing now!
<rukmini> I just saw a message that Tril was timed out, then another that Tril had signed
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<rukmini> on, then another that Tril was timed out.
<rukmini> Then another that Tril had signed on.  I guess these are just bots
<rukmini> or something recording the irc traffic, and not the real people?
<lar1> Tril is a person... he must be set to auto-reconnect
<lar1> everyone but TUNES and abi(who isn't here right now) are people
12:10am
<_QZ> let me read the log and then i will comment
<lar1> Hehe... theres _QZ!
<lar1> I hope I dont look too bad
<rukmini> Oh.  I guess some of these people leave their irc clients open but
<rukmini> don't necessarily look at them.  
<lar1> Yah, _QZ, Tril, and Fare idle here a fair amount
<rukmini> OK.  Well, the IRC FAQ I read just before starting this said not
<rukmini> to say "Hello" on joining a channel, since this is redundant
<rukmini> and useless information, but next time I'll at least make sure there's
<rukmini> somebody there!
<lar1> Redundant?  What?  I don't think so!
<_QZ> ok i read up
<lar1> Hehe
<lar1> Hows it look _QZ?
<_QZ> tunes doesnt use fat
<rukmini> Oh.  Good, trying to associate the two was creating a lot of
<rukmini> cognitive dissonance.
<_QZ> tunes is like a forth system
<_QZ> its the OS and language all-in-one
<_QZ> u can dynamically change any part of the system while its running
<rukmini> Well, I don't know much about Forth either.
<_QZ> tunes compiles the code on the fly and then continues to do optimizations while its running
<lar1> How do BRiX and Tunes compare?
<_QZ> so the more a piece of code is run th faster it gets
<rukmini> It sounds really neat.
<_QZ> and tunes sticks in checks to add protection
<_QZ> brix uses hardware protection
<rukmini> But where does all the device-dependent stuff go?
<_QZ> and brix doesnt optimize code
<rukmini> Whoever wrote the FAQ seems to really hate C, assembler, and all that.
<_QZ> while its running that is
<_QZ> they prefer shit like scheme
<rukmini> So what was used to bootstrap the system?
<lar1> I love Asm!
<_QZ> scheme and forth are fares fav lanuages
<_QZ> i love forth and asm
<rukmini> I'm just starting to learn a little scheme.
<lar1> I have never used forth or scheme... what are they like?
12:20am
<_QZ> lar1: u need to learn forth
<_QZ> forth has a dictionary that u can add words (like functions) to
<lar1> Uh oh... is this gonna be like the paging I need to learn?
<_QZ> and u can add new functions that replace existing functions but u can still call the old
<lar1> Like overloading in c++?
<_QZ> say '+' is a word that adds the top 2 numbers on the stack and pushes the result
<rukmini> That sounds like PostScript?
<_QZ> u can make a new '+' that prints "hello" and then calls the old + to add the numbers
<_QZ> postscript uses forth
<lar1> that sounds cool
<lar1> and forth is ahem... 'ez' to learn?
<_QZ> forth is the easiest language to write compilers for
<rukmini> Aha!  Well, since PostScript is in lots of machines,
<_QZ> if u know rpn then forth is ez
<lar1> rpn?
<_QZ> reverse polish notation
<_QZ> 2 2 +
<rukmini> I guess it does work on a low-level.
<_QZ> low level?
<rukmini> They used to use it in HP calculators.
<lar1> Uh oh... 2 2 + that means 2+2?
<rukmini> The Review of Existing Languages says "FORTH is a low-level functional language"
<rukmini> I had never heard of such a thing...
<_QZ> 2 2 + ==> u push the number 2 onto the stack, then u push another 2 then u call the + word to add them and it pushes 4 onto the stack
<_QZ> hp calcs use forth with a shitload of words
<lar1> ok, that makes sense... but wouldn't an mov ax, 2 add ax, 2 be more efficent?
<rukmini> It probably comes to the same thing in the end.
<_QZ> no
<lar1> push doesn't take more cycles?
<rukmini> No, it wouldn't be more efficient, or no, it doesn't come to the same thing?
<_QZ> it turns into: push 2 ; push 2 ; call the + function
<_QZ> assuming yer using the hardware stack as the forth stack
<lar1> But doesn't that need to execute more opcodes to do the same thing?
<_QZ> but most forths use 2 stacks: a data stack and a call stack
12:30am
<rukmini> The chip in a printer or a calculator probably is optimized 
<rukmini> so this sort of thing is just as fast.
<_QZ> doesnt basic need to execute more opcodes?
<_QZ> there is also a forth cpu
<_QZ> it has soemthing like 21 opcodes
<_QZ> and the hp calcs use 64bit cpus
<lar1> Ohhhhh, hehe I get it... fort wasn't made to be super fast and efficent?  Like better then BASIC is but not as good as C?
<_QZ> pretty darn impressive for a calc
<_QZ> forth was made to control machines
<_QZ> it was made to control a telescope
<lar1> Ah, that makes sense
<_QZ> rukmini: u seen the brix page?
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<lar1> Hey... where is abi?
<_QZ> dunno
<_QZ> i havent seen hcf or abi in a long time
<lar1> hmmmm
<lar1> How hard is it to make a DNS server?
<_QZ> uhh
<_QZ> do u want other machines to use it?
<rukmini> No, what's brix?
<lar1> Yes, the machines on my network
<_QZ> www.qzx.com/brix
<_QZ> i think dns is the bind daemon
<_QZ> just read the howto
<lar1> ok
<lar1> Would there be any advantage to having my own DNS?
<_QZ> ya
12:40am
<_QZ> u would see quicker access to sites
<lar1> Alot quicker?
<_QZ> no
<_QZ> for linux i just stick all the most visited sites in /etc/hosts
<lar1> How is DNS done?  Some big look up table of each domain and the corrisponding ip?
<_QZ> yup
<lar1> That is one hell of a look up table!
<_QZ> u will need tons of space
<_QZ> and the initial download will take awhile on a 56k modem
<rukmini> Ok, I just looked at the BRiX page.
<lar1> Download?  From where?
<_QZ> a dns server
<rukmini> BTW, lar1, just why do you want to make a DNS server anyway?
<lar1> rukmini:  I don't know if I do... just weighing my possibilitys
<rukmini> So, _QZ, you are the one writing BRiX?
<_QZ> rukmini: so he can add bogus names to it like suckmydick.com and it will bring up the ip to microsoft.com :)
<lar1> so I would need to download the lookup table off another server?
<_QZ> and he can impress all his friends
<_QZ> rukmini: yes i am making brix
<rukmini> Well, it sounds like the philosophy is similar to tunes.
<rukmini> What's the relationship between the two?
<_QZ> very much similiar
<rukmini> In other words, what are you doing here?
<_QZ> cept brix uses hardware protection 
<rukmini> Oh yeah, you said that.  I'll have to go back and read that.
<_QZ> brix can have a much smaller footprint
<_QZ> tunes will require a 2-4meg footprint to do anything cuz its compiler is integrated
<_QZ> brix can fit in 64k-128k
<lar1> When you register a domain... what does the company do?  What holy power do thye have I dont?
<rukmini> Egad.  It did sound like a hog.
<rukmini> But BRiX sounds pretty amazing...
<lar1> BRiX is very cool
<rukmini> Then your compiler goes on top of BRiX?
<_QZ> the brix compiler is integrated into the UI and has lots of hooks into the OS but is not permanent part of the OS
<rukmini> Your domain isn't much use unless all the *other* DNS's know about it.
<rukmini> There used to be one central authority which distributed them all,
<_QZ> lar1: u have to have 2 dns servers handle dns for it
<rukmini> I think now there are several.
<_QZ> and u cant register with internic until u have 2 dns servers hosting it
<lar1> So why couldn't I just make 2 dns servers over here and make lar1iscool.com for free?
12:50am
<_QZ> internic wont allow primary dns servers to be on non-dedicated lines
<lar1> who/what is internic?
<_QZ> internic is the one that controls all
<_QZ> www.internic.net
<rukmini> Wow, you make it sound so sinister...
<_QZ> INTERnet NIC
<lar1> They have the holy power I don't have?
<_QZ> ya they control the root dns servers
<rukmini> You know lar1, you may not believe it, but there was a time
<rukmini> when the Internet didn't exist!
<lar1> All of them?  In every country?  How did _that_ happen??
<rukmini> It had to be invented.
<lar1> I know
<rukmini> :-)
<_QZ> well anymore questions about brix/tunes?
<lar1> I just want to know what is stopping me from creating my own dns and getting lar1iscool.com for free.  I don't understand all this registering stuff....
<rukmini> You can create it, but no one will find it.
<_QZ> if u want others to see it then it must get placed in the root dns servers
<lar1> Why not?  Won't my DNS get looked at somewhere along the way?
<lar1> Why can't I make a root dns?
<_QZ> and it propogates down from the root servers to the little servers 
<_QZ> root means that others download from u
<_QZ> there is like 9 root servers
<rukmini> It's unfortunate, if those go down so goes the whole Internet...
<_QZ> when u register a domain the internic syncs it into all 9
<rukmini> Maybe lar1 *should* make another :-)
<lar1> Why only 9?
<_QZ> rukmini: :)
<lar1> rukmini:  Why would it all go down?
<rukmini> Well, no one would be able to find anything.
<_QZ> lar1: the root server are on T3 lines and are maxed
<lar1> Oh... I see...
<rukmini> I guess all the numbers people have stored would still work.
<lar1> rukmini, thats what I am saying
<_QZ> the smaller dns machines like yer isp has all take turns downloading new shit each day
<lar1> Who decided to make only 9 roots?
<rukmini> When they decided that, there were probably only 9 people on the Internet :-).
<rukmini> Well, BRiX and TUNES both sound very interesting.
<_QZ> u got any more questions before i crash?
<rukmini> I will have to learn more about them and come back.
<rukmini> Thanks a lot!
<lar1> Ummm, don't go I'll think of a ?
<_QZ> i was playing paintball for 5 hours tonite
01:00am
<lar1> How does one reverse engeneer?
<_QZ> played tourny ball: no rules
<lar1> COOL!
<_QZ> a bunch of wussy ppl came while we were playing so they split us up: tourny and rec ball
<_QZ> while the rec ballers were playing we went onto the field withOUT or guns
<_QZ> and pretended like we had guns
<lar1> hehe
<_QZ> we picked up paint and threw it at them
<_QZ> they wasted all their paint on us and couldnt hit us
<_QZ> it was sad
<lar1> I have never gone paintballing... but it sounds really fun
<_QZ> we had had a couple of them call themselves out cuz they thought they had gotten hit by our paint we threw
<_QZ> even tho there is no way in hell we could throw it hard enuf to break the balls, and they must brerak to count as a hit
<lar1> LOL
<_QZ> what really sucks is when sum1 nails u 50 times and none of the balls break
<_QZ> bounced balls hurt like hell
<_QZ> and u just sit there wishing one would break
<rukmini> You must be really tired.
<lar1> Why not call youself out?
<_QZ> call yerself out???? u a fool?
<_QZ> the lusers call themselves out
<lar1> Hmmm, why not shoot the guy?
<_QZ> i couldnt see him
<_QZ> my buddy had to run up behind me and cover my ass so he would stop shooting me
<lar1> I could just see that
<lar1> What file is executed on startup in Linux?
<_QZ> initrd
<lar1> Ok, so if I want 'ifconfig eth0 192.168.10.3 up' to run at startup, thats where it goes?
<_QZ> oh
<_QZ> i just add it to rc.local
<lar1> rc.local?  Wut?
<_QZ> rc.local gets run at boot
<lar1> Ok
<_QZ>  /etc/rc.d/rc.local
<rukmini> I just looked, on my system the ifconfig line is in /etc/init.d/network
<rukmini> (But I'm running Debian, it probably varies.)
01:10am
<lar1> Long live Red Hat!!
<rukmini> Hey, Debian is Free Software!
<lar1> So is RH
<lar1> Why are RF modems so expensive
<_QZ> lar1: no debain is supported by the FSF
<lar1> FSF?  Free software foundation?
<_QZ> free software fuckers :)
<rukmini> Yes, whereas Red Hat is a company.
<_QZ> red hat might be free but its not fsf
<lar1> What is so good about fsf?
<_QZ> fsf gets paid from yer taxes
<_QZ> rh only gets paid if u buy it
<rukmini> In other words, you paid for it already, why not use it?
<lar1> fsf is government?
<rukmini> The same way the Linux kernel got built, the whole Debian distribution
<rukmini> got built.
<_QZ> gov funed
<_QZ> funded
<lar1> Huh... thats interesting... what else is fsf?
<rukmini> All the Gnu tools that run on Linux came from the FSF.
<rukmini> Well, most of them.
<rukmini> If you think there's a problem with any part of the Debian distribution,
<rukmini> you can join in and fix it, just like with the Linux kernel.
<lar1> God bless open source!
<rukmini> I see you've got religion. :-)
<lar1> I am Linuxish
<rukmini> Well, I've got to go now.  Thanks, you two.  IRC is fun!
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<lar1> bye
<lar1> Oops, too late
01:20am
<lar1> _QZ:  Got any cool electronics projects I could do?
01:30am
<lar1> Need sleep, have big essay to work on tommarow :( later all
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<smkl> hmm. are you sure you want to keep that topic?
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<yery> hello
08:50am
<smkl> hi yery
<yery> what's new?
<smkl> nothing
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<smkl> hello binEng
<binEng> hi!
<yery> binEng
09:00am
<binEng> Suggestions on good Windows terminal prgs, someone?
<binEng> Hyperterminal is so... MS.
<smkl> binEng: did you learn any haskell?
<binEng> A little
π binEng/#tunes tries to remember his Bespin pwd
09:10am
<binEng> bbl
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09:20am
<Fare> hum
<Fare> since when is fsf allegedly tax-funded??,
<smkl> CIA funds it
<Fare> does it? how that?
<Fare> is that for a precise project, or is it a gratuitous funding?
<smkl> CIA funds it because it is afraid of communism
<smkl> perhaps GNU ADA compiler?
<Fare> I loathe the CIA
<Fare> GNU ADA is now developed by AdaCore Technologies, www.gnat.com
10:20am
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<Fare> QZ: what's this FSF tax-funding stuff?
<smkl> microsoft propaganda
10:30am
<Fare> did you know that microsoft was funded by venusian secret services?
<Fare> and that Scott McNealy was an arcturian under disguise?
<Fare> this explains a lot, IMHO
10:40am
<yery> hi, Fare.
<Fare> privet, yery
<Fare> I had a bad flamewar on comp.lang.lisp just after gnu.misc.discuss
<Fare> I think I fulfilled my year's flamewar quota.
10:50am
<yery> Fare I know.  I followed one in c.l.l 
<yery> Fare: and what about FSF and tax-funding? 
<Fare> I fear I wasn't optimal on c.l.l. :( :( :(
<Fare> QZ said that fsf was tax funded. It looks dubious to me, so I'm asking for more precise info
11:00am
<Fare> (I know that in an interview, RMS said he didn't reject the idea that free software development be tax-funded, but that's quite another thing)
<Fare> yery: is there such mode as "illative" in russian?
<yery> Fare: uh?  mode?
<Fare> like "infinitive", "indicative", "subjonctive", "imperative", etc
<yery> Fare: wait ...
<_QZ> Fare: fsf was funded by the gov but lost it a year or so back
<smkl> finnish has that declension mode
<yery> Fare: no
<smkl> it is completely different from "infinitive", "indicative", "subjonctive", "imperative" etc
<Fare> oh. ok.
<Fare> what kind of funding was that?
<yery> smkl: is this a verb form?
<smkl> no
<yery> smkl: and what is it?
<smkl> a noun form
<Fare> (just because Curry named his calculus for embedded logic and computation "illative combinatory logic")
<Fare> hum. According to the webster, it has also another meaning
<Fare> hum. I'll be putting that webster2.pl script on bespin's ftp
<_QZ> Fare: where is abi?
<Fare> abi: where are you?
<_QZ> can u start abi or did hcf kill it?
<Fare> I dunno zilch about abi
<Fare> :(
<_QZ> do u have root on bespin?
<Fare> yup
<_QZ> go into hcf's dir and start abi
<Fare> do you know what command to run?
<smkl> type "rm -rf / abi"
<Fare> what's his homedir?
<smkl> probably ~hcf or ~nef
11:10am
<_QZ> nef
<Fare> su nef -c ./infobot ?
<_QZ> dunno
<_QZ> run anything in there :)
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<_QZ> abi!!
<Fare> abi: how are you today?
<abi> fare: wish i knew
<_QZ> abi and tunes need cron entries to keep them going
<yery> abi! :)
<Fare> abi: we were missing you, you know?
<abi> fare: bugger all, i dunno
<Fare> hum. Has anyone hints about modal logic?
<smkl> i have
<smkl> hmm i have lost them
<Fare> smkl: I'm trying to establish a knowledge-based model of communicating systems, within which I could study the expressive power of reflection
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<smkl> did you look at the topic?
<tcn> whoa, full house today!
<yery> tcn
<tcn> oh god, that djhmoore thing looks scary..
<tcn> I ain't reading that crap :)
11:20am
<_QZ> hmm maybe ill go work on brix now
<smkl> i think his theory is bit like brice's arrow system
<_QZ> it would be kewl if fare or tril ever said that abot tunes :)
<tcn> What's so special about this idea that it takes a book (or a 180k web page) to describe it?
<tcn> hehe
<tcn> I think a couple of paragraphs and a picture of some arrows would describe it perfectly
<smkl> i didn't read it so i don't know
<tcn> neither did I
<_QZ> u set the topic but u didnt read it?
<_QZ> if u didnt read it then what makes u think we should?
<smkl> at least it is better that your topic
<_QZ> no my topic was kewl
<tcn> I heard a great story on NPR the other day, about cryptic academic papers like this one.
<_QZ> u were just jealous cuz that squirrels balls were bigger than yers :)
<tcn> This guy is just writing bullshit so it'll look like he has something to say, and other academics will think he's really smart cuz they can't understand it
<Fare> smkl: yup. Downloaded the document
11:30am
<smkl> Fare: do you undestand anything about it?
<Fare> smkl: it'd take reading it to answer
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<Fare> smkl: did you send that link to brice?
<smkl> Fare: no
π tcn/#tunes is convinced djhmoore is full of shit :)
<Fare> the first paragraphs inspire doubt
<tcn> Fare, even you could never write something so cryptic :)
<tcn> I could learn more by sitting and thinking, than reading that thing
<tcn> Has anyone looked at the projects at http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects ?
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<Fare> tcn: yup.
<Fare> tcn: why not use the oskit?
<tcn> It sucks
<Fare> perf-wise, and mem-wise, sure
<Fare> but feature-wise, it looks great
<tcn> I want efficiency
<Fare> tcn: sure, just that it ain't a priority until ou got a working prototype
<tcn> I'm not wasting my time molding my OS on OSkit
<Fare> hum. Then you're wasting *their* time :)
11:50am
<_QZ> *their* time has already been wasted
<_QZ> who needs another unix clone? they should have spent their time making a better system
<tcn> I could explain why I feel this way..
<Fare> QZ: they've made a reconfigurable OS module system
<Fare> still a bit low-level, but quite interesting
<_QZ> could i adapt it to become brix?
<tcn> OSkit imposes a memory manager on me, along with object and module formats, filesystems, a language I don't want to use (C)
<Fare> QZ: why not?
<_QZ> easily?
<tcn> Fare: *I* made a reconfigurable module system already!
<_QZ> and will it be as small and as fast as brix?
<Fare> tcn: you could have the C be auto-generated from whatever you want
<Fare> QZ: small and fast, no
<Fare> QZ: but once you get it running, you can replace it, parts by parts
<_QZ> so then i cant adapt it into brix
<Fare> tcn: is it available ?
<Fare> QZ: oskit is linux and bsd drivers abstracted away plus glue code
<tcn> No, I'm too busy with college to finish it now.
<_QZ> i know what oskit is
<Fare> tcn: is what you wrote available?
<tcn> OSkit also requires a big slow Unix development system. Retro only requires NASM and make.. compiles in 2 seconds, boots in 2 seconds..
<tcn> fare: It'll be available when I have time to finish it up.
<tcn> It's coming along nicely.
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<tcn> howdy
<binEng> hi
<Fare> bE: lo
<tcn> we're arguing about OSkit
<binEng> oh?
<Fare> hum dinner time
12:00pm
π Fare/#Tunes is away dining
<tcn> what have you been up to bineng? busy?
<binEng> you mean the last weeks?
<tcn> yeah
<binEng> I've been on internet-free vacation, I've been thinking of some philosophical questions, done some physics and maths, and last and maybe most significant, I've been _lazy_.
<tcn> you in college?
<binEng> Not exactly that, but something alike, I guess.
<binEng> Yes, there was some schoolwork too.
<tcn> I was hoping to do some programming when I had 3 days off last week, but I got hit hard with college shit to do over the break. Optics stuff, a test, some fucking hard integrals due tomorrow
12:10pm
<_QZ> man im glad im done with my schooling
<binEng> Could you give me an example of those integrals?
<_QZ> im a free man now :)
<tcn> uhh, hang on
<_QZ> integrals are ez
π binEng/#tunes is hanging on
<_QZ> i can do them in my head
<tcn> they're prolly easy for you :)
<tcn> ln(1+x^2), that can't be too hard
<tcn> Except I've never seen anything like it
<binEng> ok, hang on
<tcn> hey, it's in the answer book.. it's ugly: x ln(1+x^2)-2x+2 arctan x
<binEng> that's not the answer I got...
<tcn> What did you get? Nobody ever said math teachers are accurate :)
<binEng> according to my calculator: x*ln(1+x^2)+2*(tan^-1(x)-x)
<binEng> I got a third solution, but I trust my calculator more than myself in this case
<tcn> same thing
<binEng> it is?
<tcn> yup
<tcn> tan^-1 is arctan
<binEng> I've never seen arctan before, so that excuses it
<binEng> Integrals are boring anyway ;)
<tcn> yeah
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<tcn> I heard math doesn't get interesting till you get past calculus (or skip it)
<binEng> I think set theory is very interesting
<tcn> topology, combinatorics, graphs, that could all be interesting
<tcn> harmonic analysis
<binEng> uhh... I'm not so sure what all that means.
<tcn> neither am I
<binEng> :)
<binEng> Anyway, the url in the topic... it's quite dense reading. Does it say anything useful?
<tcn> I just know you can do cool things with harmonic analysis (Fourier transforms and shit like that), and combinatorics and graph theory are rapidly growing branches of math
<tcn> the topic? No, nothing useful.
<tcn> Don't waste your time :)
<tcn> smkl didn't even read it, and he's the one who posted it there
<binEng> and you say that NOW, after I've been trying to read it throu??
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<tcn> Anyone in their right mind would stop after the first paragraph :)
<binEng> hrm
<tcn> man, I wish I remembered basic algebra better :) Then I could do these damn integrals
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<tcn> this is hopeless
<tcn> Oh well, I'd better get cracking on this calc & physics.
<tcn> Later..
<binEng> cya
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<_QZ> oh boy
<_QZ> i think i just toasted a celeron
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<Kor> hi
<abi> hoy, Kor
<yery> Kor abi
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