IRC log started Sat Mar 6 00:00:00 1999 [msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0306 ωνω yery [ost@benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff yery: #TUNES (Read error to yery[benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru]: Connection refused) ωνω Fare [rideaufr@esmeralda.enst.fr] has joined #Tunes ωνω smkl [sami@ppp102.dial-in.verkkotieto.com] has joined #tunes ωνω yery [ost@benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru] has joined #tunes hello hello 09:30am anything new in tunes? 09:50am w00t my bot is working 10:40am ωνω binEng [bineng@dialup156-4-7.swipnet.se] has joined #tunes hello hi binEng what's up? umm... I'm in for some cleaning up of my to-do list 11:20am Anyone got a good Lambda-calculus tutor? i have Would you like to share it? http://www.diku.dk/research-groups/topps/bibliography/1998.html#D-368 tnx 11:30am having fun with lambda calculus already? not yet... I'm having fun just thinking of it. kinda. not. have you programmed with functional languages? I guess not how do you tell? do you know haskell? ML? or scheme? no. no. heard of it. ωνω SignOff yery: #TUNES (Ping timeout for yery[benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru]) Have I missed something great? ωνω yery [ost@benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru] has joined #tunes 01:00pm yeah. go to http://www.haskell.org/ yet another thing to investigate... ih well is "Abstraction inversion" a new term? you asking me? no, Fare >>> yery [ost@benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru] requested PING 50246 from #tunes 01:10pm ωνω Implant [croix@ip109.sbynxr1.ras.tele.dk] has joined #tunes hello Implant hello Implant what exactly is a reflective computing system? 01:20pm a system that can compute about itself did that confuse you enough? What Haskell compiler should I get? yep.... but sorry for my ignorance... but i don't know what you mean, when you are saying "can compute about itself" :( just get the interpreter well, i mean that the system is able to metaprogram itself Fare should be able to explain better smkl: so what you are saying is that Tunes has the ability to adjust itself if e.g. an error occurs? well, that and much more hmm... and when will it take over the world like in Terminator? =) year 54632382376428346*10^3289.4 01:30pm ωνω lar1 [larman@208.255.84.152] has joined #tunes Hi lar1 heheh.... Anyone know how to rotate a 3d object in C/asm? why, isn't it just to recalculate the points in space? I guess but how do I represent (x,y,z) with just (x,y)? you wish to project it on the screen? yes I don't know. :) ok, thanks get pcgpe or something I was thinking of the same They have a VLA tutorila in there... but it really complex... I know it can be done simpler then that... 01:40pm ωνω SignOff lar1: #TUNES (Leaving) How come Haskell is no more used than it is? you would understand it if you tried to program something real with it :) 01:50pm anybody here who know alot about what kind of OSes beeing developed? Fare does but could you say he is here, really? okay then, here goes: does there exist any OS alike, and as large scale as MVS? no idea. Anyway, I'm leaving - cya... ωνω SignOff binEng: #TUNES (Leaving) 02:00pm what's MVS? MVS -> mainframe OS IBS's OS/390 operating system 02:10pm ωνω SignOff Implant: #TUNES (...) ωνω SignOff yery: #TUNES (Ping timeout for yery[benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru]) ωνω SignOff smkl: #TUNES (sleeping ....) !crichton.openprojects.net!! Received :king.openprojects.net SERVER koontz.openprojects.net from king.openprojects.net !?! !varley.openprojects.net!! Received :king.openprojects.net SERVER koontz.openprojects.net from king.openprojects.net !?! !koontz.openprojects.net!! 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Please be patient, and thank you for using Open Projects Net! ωνω _QZ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes ωνω _QZ has changed the topic on channel #Tunes to: The new TUNES logo --> http://www.qzx.com/squirrel.jpg -lilo(lilo@varley.openprojects.net)- [GlobalNotice] Hi all....Please let us know if someone advertises hax0r/phr3ak stuff here....that material's off topic and the sooner you let us know, the sooner we can shut them down. Thanks again! -lilo(lilo@varley.openprojects.net)- [GlobalNotice] Hi all....several servers will be rerouted in about 30 seconds (if you are not lagged, else sooner)....thanks! -lilo(lilo@varley.openprojects.net)- [GlobalNotice] This concludes the rehubbing previously mentioned. Thanks for your patience! ωνω dino [dino@pm-ppp107.triton.net] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff dino: #TUNES (Hey! Where'd my controlling terminal go?) ωνω rukmini [rukmini@ppp-209-172.california.com] has joined #tunes I just read the TUNES FAQ (more like a manifesto). It sounds interesting, but how will you manage the hardware-independent part? Will you use a virtual machine? If so, it seems best to use the Java virtual machine, since then other people will already do all the work for you of making it run as efficiently as possible. (Of course, you don't have to use the Java language, ωνω lar1 [larman@208.255.86.193] has joined #tunes Hi!! plenty of other languages have been made to run on this machine. ) 11:40pm On the other hand, you want to eliminate the Operating System? How can you eliminate the operating system and also be hardware independent? Easy, you cant :) There has to be *something* between the hardware and your wonderful high-level abstraction, doesn't there? Well, it did sound impossible, but I was hoping these people had some idea. Well, lar1, you seem to be the only person awake on this channel. I was wondering who you were talking too... I'm a bit new to IRC, so I just started typing. Oh... hehehe, thats one way It says there are all these other people here, but they don't seem active. What says there are lots of people here? Ack. My very first time on IRC. I'm using Zircon, and there's a list to the right, with my name, Fare, TUNES, Tril, _QZ, and you, lar1. Oh... very first? Welcome to IRC! Thanks. I feel rather silly, I've been on the Internet since 1987, Wow! but have done this one thing everyone else seems to be doing. I mean, haven't. I am the channels 13 year old... so 87' seems even further away for me ;) Wow! How did you find this channel? I'm nearly twice as old as you...I was 13 in 1987. I was asking on #asm on EFnet about code to read/write from FAT, and hcf dircted me to code, and this server Well, what do you know about TUNES? I only found it a few minutes ago. 11:50pm Its an OS, I know that And depending who you ask, it is drowneding in admistrivia or idle or going along perfectly fine [lar1(larman@208.255.86.193)] hi Well, even the worst of those sounds pretty good to me. From the manifesto, it sounds impossible. I don't understand it all myself. I just do some little jobs, and hang out here to get help on my OS. -lar1(larman@208.255.86.193)- DCC Chat (208.255.86.193) ωνω DCC CHAT (chat) request from lar1[larman@208.255.86.193 [208.255.86.193:4427]] ωνω BitchX: Type /chat to answer or /nochat to close Your OS? Was it the DOS FAT you were talking about? Yup, DOS FAT... yuck!!! My OS is RAvEN and it is going slowly, but I have learned immense amounts from it. You're *writing* an OS! Wow! What machines will it run on? Is there any particular philosophy behind it, or are you just writing it for fun? x86, that is the only chip I have... :) I am writing it just for fun mostly. To be better then Windows... thats my philosophy Well, that shouldn't be too hard :-) So these people have to mess with something as ugly as the DOS FAT... I wonder how that mixes with their beautiful unified reflective architecture! Yah... I'd be 'proud to be Microsoft free' but I got stuck with a winmodem... sooo I have to use ipmasq on another computer to get the internet on this computer :( No, not them I don't think Winmodems are the pits. I'd recommend Linux (that's what I'm using), but generally winmodems only work in Windows... I have dual boot on all my machines but this laptop came with a winmodem... arg! It took me awhile to find out too, and that is the more upsetting part [msg(TUNES)] newlog 1999.0307 IRC log ended Sun Mar 7 00:00:00 1999